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    FWIW, I took a fair chunk out of my PHE holding this week and divided it between PHT and IML.

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      FWIW, I took a fair chunk out of my PHE holding this week and divided it between PHT and IML.

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      PorkInsider
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      @2BToo Snap

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        Any news on PHE chaps. Looking at the factsheet it's shown a 1Y loss in a market that has generally risen

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          Yep, it raises the question

          Is it being neglected?

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            Adam Kay
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            Grant, I’m not sure what you mean. Please do elaborate.

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              dingg
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              Well, is it being actively managed?

              To be blunt its performing very poorly and the fact that a better return is available in mmf rather than an actively managed fund surely can't sit well with the committee?

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                Adam Kay
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                Equity is pretty much in line with Fundsmith. It's always been highly correlated.

                A Money Market product is capped and obviously predictable but to say MM outperforms is true of what, 1 yr. Investing isn't about 1 year.

                We publish the holdings. It's constant with the mandate. I've posted here many times about what is driving the market in recent times. It's not pizza and toothpaste (at the moment). It's silicon, bits and bites(at the moment) however there is a place for these assets and the investors that hold them like certain attributes such as low volatility and the safety of a brand. I have a standing offer to discuss one on one, many take me up on that.

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                  No need to discuss it with you tbh

                  Imo its not cutting the mustard for me, my decision is to dump it in the near future, its lost its mojo

                  Probably into lifestyle with the proceeds šŸ‘šŸ˜Ž

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                    Forgive me wading into this discussion but I think there may be a bit of nuance here. I understand that PHE is set up to do tolerably well across lots of different market conditions. A bit of a jack-of-all-trades, and hence it masters none. PHT is more spicy and has gone like a stabbed rat of late but that's because it's much more focussed on things which are currently in favour. In 5/10/15 years time PHT may be nowhere, but PHE will still be trogging along.

                    I think that if you're always into the latest thing and are happy to take rougher patches head on then stick it in PHT. If you're more of a fire-and-forget mentality then PHE is your puppy, and you can be pretty sure that it'll have done well when you come to take the cash out some time in the future.

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                      Adam Kay
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                      ahem. Of late Mr O would suggest weeks or months. It's done well for years and has consistently outperformed all other Tech funds.šŸ‘ At least that I know of.

                      You could show someone the numbers and they will say 'yep all tech has done well', as if to say, that's just tech. No it isn't, it's exceeded all benchmarks and all peers.

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                        When I first joined IM back in 2020 PHE was like the poster child, it had been what PHT is now, I invested in it, but it had seemed to have lost the umph, so I sold it in May 2024. I do still hold about £12.60 (dividends that came in), and it just seems to fluctuate up and down around that figure, my brother has stayed invested in PHE even though back then I suggested he moved it, only last week he was moaning that it wasn't doing well. I simply reminded him that I'd suggested he move his funds when I did, and that he should do it now.

                        Whilst the individual portfolio's are managed, at the end of the day we managed what makes up our portfolio's and if we're not happy with how something is doing we have the option of moving it around, and hoping it goes in the correct direction.

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                          Adam

                          Re "Equity is pretty much in line with Fundsmith. It's always been highly correlated."

                          My decision is already made

                          But what Fundsmith ate you using as a comparator?

                          According to google fundsmith equity has given a 0.8% return over the last 12 months

                          According to my spread sheet phe is down a whopping 26.6% over the same time frame.

                          Either your using a different comparison, my spreadsheets buggered or something else is awry.

                          Tia

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                            Grant,

                            I wasn't attempting to persuade you one way or the other. It's your choice, as always. And yes your figures are wrong. Perhaps your excel file hasn't taken into account the withdrawals you have madešŸ’”

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                              Afternoon Adam
                              Thanks for the clarification, you nailed it, I forgot to subtract my annual withdrawal, wot a muppet, too many beers last night.

                              Ps I know you weren't trying to persuade me one way or the other, it's outside your remit.

                              Cheers again and enjoy your weekend šŸ‘

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                                Adam

                                Re "Equity is pretty much in line with Fundsmith. It's always been highly correlated."

                                My decision is already made

                                But what Fundsmith ate you using as a comparator?

                                According to google fundsmith equity has given a 0.8% return over the last 12 months

                                According to my spread sheet phe is down a whopping 26.6% over the same time frame.

                                Either your using a different comparison, my spreadsheets buggered or something else is awry.

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                                @dingg said in PHE:

                                According to my spread sheet phe is down a whopping 26.6% over the same time frame.

                                I see you've found the answer, I did ask my brother and he said

                                Oh dear.... -4.81% 17-Oct-24 to 17-Oct-25

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                                  dingg
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                                  Cheers Ronski

                                  That's saved taxing what little of the grey matter I have left šŸ˜‰

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