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    dingg
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    #27

    Well, is it being actively managed?

    To be blunt its performing very poorly and the fact that a better return is available in mmf rather than an actively managed fund surely can't sit well with the committee?

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      Adam Kay
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      #28

      Equity is pretty much in line with Fundsmith. It's always been highly correlated.

      A Money Market product is capped and obviously predictable but to say MM outperforms is true of what, 1 yr. Investing isn't about 1 year.

      We publish the holdings. It's constant with the mandate. I've posted here many times about what is driving the market in recent times. It's not pizza and toothpaste (at the moment). It's silicon, bits and bites(at the moment) however there is a place for these assets and the investors that hold them like certain attributes such as low volatility and the safety of a brand. I have a standing offer to discuss one on one, many take me up on that.

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        dingg
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        No need to discuss it with you tbh

        Imo its not cutting the mustard for me, my decision is to dump it in the near future, its lost its mojo

        Probably into lifestyle with the proceeds 👍😎

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          2BToo
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          #30

          Forgive me wading into this discussion but I think there may be a bit of nuance here. I understand that PHE is set up to do tolerably well across lots of different market conditions. A bit of a jack-of-all-trades, and hence it masters none. PHT is more spicy and has gone like a stabbed rat of late but that's because it's much more focussed on things which are currently in favour. In 5/10/15 years time PHT may be nowhere, but PHE will still be trogging along.

          I think that if you're always into the latest thing and are happy to take rougher patches head on then stick it in PHT. If you're more of a fire-and-forget mentality then PHE is your puppy, and you can be pretty sure that it'll have done well when you come to take the cash out some time in the future.

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            Adam Kay
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            ahem. Of late Mr O would suggest weeks or months. It's done well for years and has consistently outperformed all other Tech funds.👍 At least that I know of.

            You could show someone the numbers and they will say 'yep all tech has done well', as if to say, that's just tech. No it isn't, it's exceeded all benchmarks and all peers.

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              dingg
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              #32

              Adam

              Re "Equity is pretty much in line with Fundsmith. It's always been highly correlated."

              My decision is already made

              But what Fundsmith ate you using as a comparator?

              According to google fundsmith equity has given a 0.8% return over the last 12 months

              According to my spread sheet phe is down a whopping 26.6% over the same time frame.

              Either your using a different comparison, my spreadsheets buggered or something else is awry.

              Tia

              G

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                Adam Kay
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                Grant,

                I wasn't attempting to persuade you one way or the other. It's your choice, as always. And yes your figures are wrong. Perhaps your excel file hasn't taken into account the withdrawals you have made💡

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                  dingg
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                  Afternoon Adam
                  Thanks for the clarification, you nailed it, I forgot to subtract my annual withdrawal, wot a muppet, too many beers last night.

                  Ps I know you weren't trying to persuade me one way or the other, it's outside your remit.

                  Cheers again and enjoy your weekend 👍

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                    dingg
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                    Cheers Ronski

                    That's saved taxing what little of the grey matter I have left 😉

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                      Adam Kay
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                      Netflix split their stock 10:1 last week. The custodian processed the changes 2 days later so if you are looking at the graph you will see a sharp drop and rebound due to the timing.

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                        Tresco
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                        Any thoughts if it's worth soldiering on with PHE which is my worst performer over 5 years across a number of funds, I note Nik mentioned last year it was to be looked at. I understand it's 'buy and hold' but a low cost tracker would have produced significantly better returns.

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                          Jason Knowles
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                          If your not happy with it change it, I've got little money in the defensive fund which I think is relatively low risk and has paid about 8% in 2025 which I'm happy with as a low risk option.

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                            2BToo
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                            As Jason said, moving is always an option. I had about half my funds in PHE but have moved most of that out over the last year or so.

                            I'd be interested to see how it goes in the future but I think it's not for me at the moment.

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                              Adam Kay
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                              Anyone who holds a portfolio and has questions can contact either myself and or Nik. Many have. Discussions around suitability are very individual specific due to goals, age, risk appetite and time to retirement/time to draw down.

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