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    Adam Kay
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    All markets will react in the short term-the USD will strengthen as a result of perceived inflation keeping rates higher for longer, a positive if you hold USD denominated assets. The take away here is, we just don't know what the US administration is going to do, I'm not even sure they do, entirely. There will be a lot of talk to effect a behavioural change in some countries.

    The media will try and frighten as many people as it can. The most likely scenario is that after the initial threats, a middle ground is reached. remember, these tariff threats were campaign promises so he's got to 'deliver' something. For how long and the true driver of them is a bit more opaque right now.

    The Investment Comm met at 12pm to discuss all available information and we are watching the situation closely. No knee jerk reaction will be made where we materially change the asset allocations.

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      Adam Kay
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      The opening sell off 2.5% was supported by heavy buying at 3.30 with most of the dip recovered. Many holdings are actually up. Net, the impact is relatively muted so far. Volatility will no doubt remain as the markets remain 'news' driven.

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        Adam Kay
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        Trump delays tariffs effective date by 1 month. Talking already

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          Adam Kay
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          The delay is for Mexico only as following discussions, President Pardo agreed to deploy 10k national guard members along the border to combat drug trafficking.

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            mikeiow
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            The Tariff King is back in full swing, it appears. 🤦‍♂️

            It is somewhat unclear to me where the end game is.
            We all know Trump is transactional, a “deal based” human, even if The Art of the Deal was actually ghost written by Tony Schwartz.

            Short term, I can only see it raising inflation. The price of eggs continues to rise, whilst the CIC spends over ¼ of his time on a golf course 🤦‍♂️
            Medium term, it can only make people in countries from Canada & China to Mexico & beyond trust Trump less and less 🤷‍♂️

            The past week has been very concerning Stateside.
            Scenes with Zelensky felt like an Oval Office ambush, regardless how one might feel he should have better prepared.
            My US pals, admittedly a very small sample in a country of over 330M, are aghast at the actions being taken to remove checks and balances in their democracy. One good friend was thrilled when he was able to move with our company to California around 20 years ago, fully embracing America. Now a US citizen, he is clearly appalled at what is happening.
            Tesla continues to take a pounding over the behaviour of the DOGE Meister, Musk, continuing to try to get hold of everybodies personal data from secure Government departments.

            I’m sure business will continue, & the companies Adam focussed on with individual threads will hopefully continue to thrive, but at the same time it is rather concerning. At the same time, all empires eventually fall. Is this the beginning of the end of the American dream?

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              Adam Kay
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              The thing is Mike, long term none of this matters. The short term traders need to worry-we, less so.

              What products will fair best in an environment with punitive tariffs? Technology. Why? Super high margins plus super high demand. We've discussed the maximum impact and it's immaterial.

              Markets adjust. What you are seeing here is nothing but fear-we've seen it many times before and we will see it again. So as we enter headless chicken mode, smart investors stay the course, holding businesses with strong fundamentals. With those who can taking advantage of panic.

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                I think many Americans are going to regret voting for him, I'm sure what he's doing is going to push prices up for them, and he appears to be alienating America from the rest of the world, well maybe not Russia and the likes.

                Nice to see PHT holdings have rebounded today, when I looked earlier it was looking rather red, but now its a nice green, mostly.

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                  Adam Kay
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                  I think it’s a ploy to bring other countries in line. I’m agnostic but when you look at some of the trade situations it does appear odd. Europe do appear to hammer US imports. My opinion is a deal will be agreed and we move on.

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                    Trump will not want to be associated with a declining stock market and rising inflation….i bet there are deals to be made in the coming weeks

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                      my Coben s portfolio seems to have dropped 15% in a week hows everyone else feeling about riding this out?

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                        my Coben s portfolio seems to have dropped 15% in a week hows everyone else feeling about riding this out?

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                        @markiii said in Thoughts on short term market direction:

                        my Coben s portfolio seems to have dropped 15% in a week how's everyone else feeling about riding this out?

                        I'm only Holding PHT in Cobens which I assume is among the highest volatility and I am down 3.63% in week , ....its however down 15% since what looks now as a very brief peak this YTD around 19 Feb
                        Ride it out ? that rather depends if it ends....but I am staying in and that's that

                        In other news , YTD I am down 3.3% This year so far all in mix of Vanguards Global and S&P500 trackers ( mid 6 fig ) hey-ho , again that's a hold for sure .

                        Main pension is a Db ( now deferred until I decide to start drawing ) .....so that helps me feel like I can just cruise . The optimist in me makes me think I should start drawing and take the 25% tax free lump and pile in at new cheap levels big time . Down side is it would all have to be in GIA , as ISA already allocated

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                          Adam Kay
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                          Nothing is down 15% in a week-fake news

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                            @markiii said in Thoughts on short term market direction:

                            my Coben s portfolio seems to have dropped 15% in a week how's everyone else feeling about riding this out?

                            I'm only Holding PHT in Cobens which I assume is among the highest volatility and I am down 3.63% in week , ....its however down 15% since what looks now as a very brief peak this YTD around 19 Feb
                            Ride it out ? that rather depends if it ends....but I am staying in and that's that

                            In other news , YTD I am down 3.3% This year so far all in mix of Vanguards Global and S&P500 trackers ( mid 6 fig ) hey-ho , again that's a hold for sure .

                            Main pension is a Db ( now deferred until I decide to start drawing ) .....so that helps me feel like I can just cruise . The optimist in me makes me think I should start drawing and take the 25% tax free lump and pile in at new cheap levels big time . Down side is it would all have to be in GIA , as ISA already allocated

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                            Ronski
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                            @PM3 said in Thoughts on short term market direction:

                            its however down 15% since what looks now as a very brief peak this YTD around 19 Feb

                            I concur with the above, overall the value of my portfolio is back to where it was at the start of November.

                            Hopefully things will settle down, and we can get back to happier markets.

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                              2BToo
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                              My portfolio is up today, by a whisker. Which is the first day in about a month that it hasn't fallen.

                              I suspect that when the Trump Tariff storm blows over and there is a ceasefire (and hopefully peace deal) in Ukraine/Russia then things will start to bob up again. Hopefully today is the start of this.

                              (Putting this comment in the 'Short term market direction' thread as it seems more appropriate here.)

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                                Adam Kay
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                                Tech +2.5%
                                IML +1%
                                PH Equity-down 0.56%

                                Tech/IML have feared better than their benchmarks.

                                Nvidia is the technology barometer. Anyone interested should watch the GTC keynote March 18th. They will definitely talk about new developments, including I hope, an early Rubin release(6 months early). The Blackwell ultra, Rubin Ultra and probably Rubin-next. Robotics, ADAS, Quantum, health, sovereign ai, Omniverse. Plus HBM-4, Spectrum-X etc.

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                                  Tech +2.5%
                                  IML +1%
                                  PH Equity-down 0.56%

                                  Tech/IML have feared better than their benchmarks.

                                  Nvidia is the technology barometer. Anyone interested should watch the GTC keynote March 18th. They will definitely talk about new developments, including I hope, an early Rubin release(6 months early). The Blackwell ultra, Rubin Ultra and probably Rubin-next. Robotics, ADAS, Quantum, health, sovereign ai, Omniverse. Plus HBM-4, Spectrum-X etc.

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                                  Slow Horses
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                                  @Adam-Kay are these YTD numbers?

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                                    Adam Kay
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                                    HI,

                                    No they were in response to 2BToo 'up a whisker on the day(daily)

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                                      2BToo
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                                      Up a small bit today but numbers for tomorrow are not looking pretty at all.

                                      This rut is taking a while to get out of.

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                                        Up a small bit today but numbers for tomorrow are not looking pretty at all.

                                        This rut is taking a while to get out of.

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                                        Ronski
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                                        @2BToo said in Thoughts on short term market direction:

                                        This rut is taking a while to get out of.

                                        Probably as long as it takes to get that idiot out the White House, which could be a very long time.

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                                          I'm a fan of Trump, but agree that his actions of the last month or so aren't at all helpful for us investors!

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