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    Whats your thoughts on the upcoming MU earnings @Adam-Kay ? MU is flying at the moment.

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      Hi,

      Guidance was $50b and $31 EPS(say $32 billion net income). I expect a significant beat. The market expects $53B. I think it will be quite a bit more. $58, maybe as high at $60B (eps $35?). Will they guide $70b+ for Q1(fiscal 27). I don't know, nobody does. Just remember one simple fact, there is no peak in sight, they are constrained. Demand is increasing every quarter, every year for as far as they can see. Micron are now producing quarterly earnings only a few elites can match. More than Apple, as much as GOOG. 15X more than AMD (same valuation🤡 ) 1000X more than Crowdstrike🤡 🤡
      The question is, are their earnings durable-I think they. You dont have to maintain 90% margins to justify a higher valuation because the market has never valued them accordingly. My view is long term the company will be able to produce EPS as a base line in the range $200 with higher peaks before.

      I have no idea what the reaction will be-it's not priced accordingly(is it) so im only interested in the numbers and what management have to say

      My thoughts are-everyone is talking about HBM, however HBM is actually very expensive to produce as it hoovers up a large wafer count vs the end bit yield and is actually a drag on margins. Inference re agentic Ai is making other Dram more important when it comes to margins.

      The AI memory race is shifting beyond pure HBM market share towards CPU-attached memory, where margins look structurally stronger and Micron currently holds the advantage(over SK).

      Agentic AI workloads require agents to maintain long-running state, plan and manage expanding KV caches. While model inference still runs on GPUs with HBM, much of the supporting work and context lives on the CPU side in system memory and storage.

      This is pushing demand towards high-capacity, power-efficient LPDRAM in SOCAMM form factors, high-capacity server DDR5 RDIMMs and data-centre SSDs for offload. Nvidia’s own software already moves KV cache out of scarce HBM into these cheaper, higher-capacity tiers .In 2026 HBM pricing was largely locked in at lower levels from earlier negotiations, while conventional DRAM contract prices surged several-fold.

      Because HBM also consumes far more wafer capacity per bit, its revenue and profit per wafer fell behind ordinary server DRAM. Suppliers with heavier HBM exposure therefore faced a margin drag; those able to tilt mix towards CPU-side products enjoyed superior pricing power and profitability.

      DDR5 server memory and SSDs are emerging as the huge revenue and margin drivers. Surging prices, strong volume growth from agentic demand and far better wafer economics than locked-in HBM make them highly profitable. Micron, with the smallest HBM share among the big three, grew DRAM revenue fastest and posted the highest operating margins. It pioneered data-centre SOCAMM, led capacity ramps, and saw its Core Data Center Business Unit (covering high-capacity DDR5, LPDRAM and storage) become the company’s fastest-growing segment. The winners in this phase are therefore those strongest in these CPU-centric memory types, not simply the HBM volume leaders.

      I will be listening to the call for comments re the above

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        Spectacular result-worth a read. The take away is, there is no line of sight as to when supply catches demand. The imbalance will be worse in 2027 and worse again in 2028. 75% out output is already committed through 2027.

        Regarding US mega caps. Micron is second only to Nvidia in terms of Operating Income generation. More than GOOG, Apple and Microsoft. And growing much faster.

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        Fiscal Q1 2027 Outlook

        Micron expects:

        Revenue of $61.5 billion ± $1.5 billion

        Non-GAAP gross margin of approximately 86.25%

        Non-GAAP operating expenses of approximately $2.06 billion

        Non-GAAP diluted EPS of $38.15 ± $1.00

        Tax rate of approximately 15.5%

        Capital expenditure of approximately $11.5 billion

        Management expects sequential revenue growth in every quarter of fiscal 2027.

        Fiscal Q1 is expected to represent the lowest gross margin of fiscal 2027, with gross margins expected to increase during the remainder of the year despite a more moderate pace of price increases.

        Supply and Demand Outlook – 2027 and 2028

        A central message from the earnings call was that the supply-demand imbalance is expected to become more pronounced in both calendar 2027 and 2028 than it was in 2026.

        Micron expects the DRAM industry to remain supply constrained in both 2027 and 2028, with industry bit shipments growing by approximately the low-20s percentage range.

        NAND is also expected to remain supply constrained in both years, despite industry bit shipment growth of approximately the mid-20s percentage range.

        Management stated that the structural difference between demand growth and available supply is producing continuing market tightness and that additional cleanroom capacity will be required to narrow the gap.

        Even after taking planned industry capacity additions into account, Micron said that it currently has no clear visibility as to when supply will catch up with demand.

        During the Q&A, CEO Sanjay Mehrotra was specifically asked about concerns that 2027 could represent a peak in pricing and earnings. He reiterated that Micron expects supply conditions in both 2027 and 2028 to be tighter than in 2026.

        The reasons highlighted included:

        Long lead times for new fabrication facilities and cleanroom capacity

        Gradual production ramps even after new facilities begin wafer output

        Higher HBM production reducing the amount of conventional DRAM obtainable from a given quantity of wafer capacity

        Lower productivity improvements from future semiconductor node transitions

        Continued growth in AI model size

        Longer context windows

        Greater concurrency

        Increased deployment of AI agents

        High-teens percentage server unit growth expected in both 2026 and 2027

        Management said these factors continued to support a favourable supply-demand environment and that customers were seeking additional memory supply rather than reducing their overall requirements.

        2027 Output Already Heavily Committed

        Micron stated that more than 75% of its calendar 2027 output is already committed.

        This includes volumes covered by Strategic Customer Agreements as well as commitments from customers operating under more conventional annual arrangements.

        Management also said that a majority of current customer discussions are already focused on calendar 2028 supply.

        Customers are seeking longer-term supply assurance, with some Strategic Customer Agreements now extending through 2031.

        Strategic Customer Agreements

        Micron has now signed 26 Strategic Customer Agreements, which it estimates represent more than 35% of expected revenue through 2030.

        Approximately three quarters of the expected revenue covered by these agreements has an established pricing framework. Most of these arrangements contain pricing bands with both floor and ceiling prices.

        The remaining quarter is subject to periodic pricing negotiations based on prevailing market conditions.

        Customer financial commitments associated with these agreements have increased to approximately $32 billion, with the great majority in the form of cash deposits.

        Management continues to believe that Strategic Customer Agreements could eventually cover approximately 50% of revenue through 2030, while retaining sufficient capacity to serve customers outside these agreements.

        $150 Billion Remaining Performance Obligations

        Remaining performance obligations associated with Strategic Customer Agreements are approximately $150 billion.

        The RPO figure only includes agreements where a defined pricing framework exists and is calculated from committed volumes and minimum contractual pricing.

        Micron therefore regards the $150 billion RPO figure as conservative and expects eventual revenue from these agreements to substantially exceed the stated RPO.

        The CFO also stated that even at contractual floor prices, Micron expects margins to remain meaningfully above the peak margins achieved in previous cycles.

        HBM Outlook

        HBM revenue grew faster than overall company revenue during fiscal Q4.

        Micron has completed agreements covering the great majority of its calendar 2027 HBM bit supply, with prices materially higher than those agreed for 2026.

        The higher 2027 pricing is expected to reduce the previous gross-margin difference between HBM and conventional DRAM.

        Micron expects industry HBM bit demand to grow faster than conventional DRAM through calendar 2028.

        The company is continuing its HBM4 ramp and is working with NVIDIA on a custom HBM4E implementation for future GPU and NVLink Fusion platforms.

        Data Centre SSD and NAND

        Fiscal Q4 data-centre SSD revenue was almost $10 billion, more than ten times the level achieved in the comparable period a year earlier.

        Data-centre SSD represented more than two thirds of total NAND revenue.

        Micron expects calendar 2026 to represent a fifth consecutive year of record market share in data-centre SSD.

        Management highlighted growing opportunities from AI inference, KV-cache offload and the displacement of hard disk drives within data-centre infrastructure.

        Cash Flow and Balance Sheet

        Fiscal Q4 operating cash flow was approximately $44 billion.👏

        Capital expenditure was approximately $10.8 billion, resulting in adjusted free cash flow of $33.2 billion.

        Micron ended the quarter with:

        $73.5 billion of cash and investments (Buybacks! post 9 Dec 26)

        Approximately $5.2 billion of debt

        Net cash of approximately $68.3 billion

        Customer cash deposits of approximately $12.7 billion

        The company received two credit-rating upgrades during the quarter and ended the period rated BBB+ or equivalent by all three major rating agencies.

        Management expects free cash flow in fiscal Q1 2027 to be significantly higher than the $33 billion generated in fiscal Q4, based on the current revenue, margin and capital expenditure outlook.

        Capital Expenditure

        Micron expects approximately $11.5 billion of capital expenditure in fiscal Q1 and approximately $25 billion during the first half of fiscal 2027.

        Second-half capital expenditure is expected to be higher than first-half spending.

        A greater proportion of the increase will relate to construction rather than semiconductor manufacturing equipment, as Micron accelerates the availability of additional cleanroom space for 2028 and beyond.

        Management indicated that new capacity would continue to be equipped in a disciplined manner as actual demand becomes clearer.

        Manufacturing Expansion

        Micron's principal manufacturing expansion programmes include:

        Initial wafer output from Idaho ID1 in mid-calendar 2027

        Initial output from Idaho ID2 in late calendar 2028

        Additional Japanese DRAM production beginning in late calendar 2028

        Meaningful shipments from the Tongluo, Taiwan facility in mid-calendar 2027

        Initial output from the Singapore HBM advanced-packaging facility in early calendar 2027

        New Singapore NAND capacity beginning production in the second half of calendar 2028

        Initial wafer output from Micron's first New York fab expected in calendar 2030

        Management stressed that initial wafer output does not immediately translate into substantial supply because new facilities require several quarters to ramp to meaningful production levels.

        Product and Technology Highlights

        Micron highlighted progress across several areas of its product portfolio:

        Sampling of 512GB DDR5 RDIMMs capable of speeds of up to 9,200 MT/s

        Multiple customer qualifications of 1-gamma 8,800 MT/s server RDIMMs

        Server LPDDR SOCAMM revenue more than doubling sequentially

        PCIe Gen 5 and Gen 6 SSD products shipping for KV-cache applications

        Strong volume ramp of the 6600 ION SSD

        Shipment of six-channel 1-gamma LPDDR5X for flagship mobile devices

        AI workstation design wins with every Tier 1 OEM customer This relates to manufacturers such as Dell/HP/Leveno

        Initial sampling of 1-gamma LPDDR6 products for physical-AI applications

        Micron said its 1-gamma DRAM and G9 NAND processes are now its largest production nodes and are expected to become the highest-volume nodes in the company's history.

        Physical AI

        Micron identified autonomous vehicles, humanoid robotics and other intelligent autonomous systems as an emerging source of longer-term memory and storage demand.

        Management said Level 4 and above autonomous vehicles typically require more than 200GB of memory and multiple terabytes of storage, more than an order of magnitude above current Level 2+ and Level 3 vehicles.

        Humanoid robots are expected to require comparable memory and storage capacities.

        Micron expects physical AI to become a significant demand driver for memory and storage towards the end of the decade.

        Shareholder Returns

        Micron intends to increase capital returns from 9 December 2026, following the second anniversary of the signing of its definitive CHIPS agreements.

        Management expects share repurchases to be the principal means of returning excess capital.

        The existing share-repurchase authorisation stood at approximately $2.2 billion at the time of the call, and management indicated that it expects to seek additional authorisation.

        Over time, Micron intends to return 100% of excess cash to shareholders.

        Principal Earnings Call Highlights

        The earnings call substantially strengthened Micron's forward outlook beyond the headline fiscal Q4 results.

        2027 and 2028 supply conditions: Micron expects the memory and storage supply-demand imbalance to be greater in both 2027 and 2028 than in 2026, with both DRAM and NAND remaining supply constrained.

        No visible point of market balance: Management said it currently has no line of sight to when supply will catch up with demand.

        Fiscal 2027 revenue: Revenue is expected to grow sequentially in every quarter of the fiscal year.

        Fiscal 2027 margins: FQ1's approximately 86.25% gross margin is expected to be the lowest quarterly gross margin of the year, with margins rising thereafter. This is a big statement.

        2027 supply commitments: More than 75% of calendar 2027 output is already committed, and customer discussions are increasingly centred on 2028 supply.

        Long-term agreements: Micron has 26 Strategic Customer Agreements covering more than 35% of expected revenue through 2030, with customer financial commitments of approximately $32 billion.

        Contracted backlog: Remaining performance obligations are approximately $150 billion, calculated using committed volumes and minimum pricing. Management expects realised revenue to exceed this figure.

        HBM pricing: The majority of 2027 HBM supply has already been agreed at materially higher prices than in 2026.

        Free cash flow: Fiscal Q4 produced $33.2 billion of free cash flow, with management expecting FQ1 free cash flow to be significantly higher.

        Capital returns: Micron intends to increase shareholder returns from December 2026, principally through share repurchases.

        Industry structure: Management believes Strategic Customer Agreements, long construction lead times, increasing HBM wafer requirements and AI-driven demand are materially changing the visibility and structure of the memory industry compared with previous cycles.

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          Impressive, beat even your projection there Adam, given how odd the markets are, I'll expect the price to drop now...

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            Spectacular result-worth a read. The take away is, there is no line of sight as to when supply catches demand. The imbalance will be worse in 2027 and worse again in 2028. 75% out output is already committed through 2027.

            Regarding US mega caps. Micron is second only to Nvidia in terms of Operating Income generation. More than GOOG, Apple and Microsoft. And growing much faster.

            Screenshot 2026-10-01 at 08.08.21.png

            Screenshot 2026-10-01 at 08.08.36.png

            Screenshot 2026-10-01 at 08.09.06.png

            Fiscal Q1 2027 Outlook

            Micron expects:

            Revenue of $61.5 billion ± $1.5 billion

            Non-GAAP gross margin of approximately 86.25%

            Non-GAAP operating expenses of approximately $2.06 billion

            Non-GAAP diluted EPS of $38.15 ± $1.00

            Tax rate of approximately 15.5%

            Capital expenditure of approximately $11.5 billion

            Management expects sequential revenue growth in every quarter of fiscal 2027.

            Fiscal Q1 is expected to represent the lowest gross margin of fiscal 2027, with gross margins expected to increase during the remainder of the year despite a more moderate pace of price increases.

            Supply and Demand Outlook – 2027 and 2028

            A central message from the earnings call was that the supply-demand imbalance is expected to become more pronounced in both calendar 2027 and 2028 than it was in 2026.

            Micron expects the DRAM industry to remain supply constrained in both 2027 and 2028, with industry bit shipments growing by approximately the low-20s percentage range.

            NAND is also expected to remain supply constrained in both years, despite industry bit shipment growth of approximately the mid-20s percentage range.

            Management stated that the structural difference between demand growth and available supply is producing continuing market tightness and that additional cleanroom capacity will be required to narrow the gap.

            Even after taking planned industry capacity additions into account, Micron said that it currently has no clear visibility as to when supply will catch up with demand.

            During the Q&A, CEO Sanjay Mehrotra was specifically asked about concerns that 2027 could represent a peak in pricing and earnings. He reiterated that Micron expects supply conditions in both 2027 and 2028 to be tighter than in 2026.

            The reasons highlighted included:

            Long lead times for new fabrication facilities and cleanroom capacity

            Gradual production ramps even after new facilities begin wafer output

            Higher HBM production reducing the amount of conventional DRAM obtainable from a given quantity of wafer capacity

            Lower productivity improvements from future semiconductor node transitions

            Continued growth in AI model size

            Longer context windows

            Greater concurrency

            Increased deployment of AI agents

            High-teens percentage server unit growth expected in both 2026 and 2027

            Management said these factors continued to support a favourable supply-demand environment and that customers were seeking additional memory supply rather than reducing their overall requirements.

            2027 Output Already Heavily Committed

            Micron stated that more than 75% of its calendar 2027 output is already committed.

            This includes volumes covered by Strategic Customer Agreements as well as commitments from customers operating under more conventional annual arrangements.

            Management also said that a majority of current customer discussions are already focused on calendar 2028 supply.

            Customers are seeking longer-term supply assurance, with some Strategic Customer Agreements now extending through 2031.

            Strategic Customer Agreements

            Micron has now signed 26 Strategic Customer Agreements, which it estimates represent more than 35% of expected revenue through 2030.

            Approximately three quarters of the expected revenue covered by these agreements has an established pricing framework. Most of these arrangements contain pricing bands with both floor and ceiling prices.

            The remaining quarter is subject to periodic pricing negotiations based on prevailing market conditions.

            Customer financial commitments associated with these agreements have increased to approximately $32 billion, with the great majority in the form of cash deposits.

            Management continues to believe that Strategic Customer Agreements could eventually cover approximately 50% of revenue through 2030, while retaining sufficient capacity to serve customers outside these agreements.

            $150 Billion Remaining Performance Obligations

            Remaining performance obligations associated with Strategic Customer Agreements are approximately $150 billion.

            The RPO figure only includes agreements where a defined pricing framework exists and is calculated from committed volumes and minimum contractual pricing.

            Micron therefore regards the $150 billion RPO figure as conservative and expects eventual revenue from these agreements to substantially exceed the stated RPO.

            The CFO also stated that even at contractual floor prices, Micron expects margins to remain meaningfully above the peak margins achieved in previous cycles.

            HBM Outlook

            HBM revenue grew faster than overall company revenue during fiscal Q4.

            Micron has completed agreements covering the great majority of its calendar 2027 HBM bit supply, with prices materially higher than those agreed for 2026.

            The higher 2027 pricing is expected to reduce the previous gross-margin difference between HBM and conventional DRAM.

            Micron expects industry HBM bit demand to grow faster than conventional DRAM through calendar 2028.

            The company is continuing its HBM4 ramp and is working with NVIDIA on a custom HBM4E implementation for future GPU and NVLink Fusion platforms.

            Data Centre SSD and NAND

            Fiscal Q4 data-centre SSD revenue was almost $10 billion, more than ten times the level achieved in the comparable period a year earlier.

            Data-centre SSD represented more than two thirds of total NAND revenue.

            Micron expects calendar 2026 to represent a fifth consecutive year of record market share in data-centre SSD.

            Management highlighted growing opportunities from AI inference, KV-cache offload and the displacement of hard disk drives within data-centre infrastructure.

            Cash Flow and Balance Sheet

            Fiscal Q4 operating cash flow was approximately $44 billion.👏

            Capital expenditure was approximately $10.8 billion, resulting in adjusted free cash flow of $33.2 billion.

            Micron ended the quarter with:

            $73.5 billion of cash and investments (Buybacks! post 9 Dec 26)

            Approximately $5.2 billion of debt

            Net cash of approximately $68.3 billion

            Customer cash deposits of approximately $12.7 billion

            The company received two credit-rating upgrades during the quarter and ended the period rated BBB+ or equivalent by all three major rating agencies.

            Management expects free cash flow in fiscal Q1 2027 to be significantly higher than the $33 billion generated in fiscal Q4, based on the current revenue, margin and capital expenditure outlook.

            Capital Expenditure

            Micron expects approximately $11.5 billion of capital expenditure in fiscal Q1 and approximately $25 billion during the first half of fiscal 2027.

            Second-half capital expenditure is expected to be higher than first-half spending.

            A greater proportion of the increase will relate to construction rather than semiconductor manufacturing equipment, as Micron accelerates the availability of additional cleanroom space for 2028 and beyond.

            Management indicated that new capacity would continue to be equipped in a disciplined manner as actual demand becomes clearer.

            Manufacturing Expansion

            Micron's principal manufacturing expansion programmes include:

            Initial wafer output from Idaho ID1 in mid-calendar 2027

            Initial output from Idaho ID2 in late calendar 2028

            Additional Japanese DRAM production beginning in late calendar 2028

            Meaningful shipments from the Tongluo, Taiwan facility in mid-calendar 2027

            Initial output from the Singapore HBM advanced-packaging facility in early calendar 2027

            New Singapore NAND capacity beginning production in the second half of calendar 2028

            Initial wafer output from Micron's first New York fab expected in calendar 2030

            Management stressed that initial wafer output does not immediately translate into substantial supply because new facilities require several quarters to ramp to meaningful production levels.

            Product and Technology Highlights

            Micron highlighted progress across several areas of its product portfolio:

            Sampling of 512GB DDR5 RDIMMs capable of speeds of up to 9,200 MT/s

            Multiple customer qualifications of 1-gamma 8,800 MT/s server RDIMMs

            Server LPDDR SOCAMM revenue more than doubling sequentially

            PCIe Gen 5 and Gen 6 SSD products shipping for KV-cache applications

            Strong volume ramp of the 6600 ION SSD

            Shipment of six-channel 1-gamma LPDDR5X for flagship mobile devices

            AI workstation design wins with every Tier 1 OEM customer This relates to manufacturers such as Dell/HP/Leveno

            Initial sampling of 1-gamma LPDDR6 products for physical-AI applications

            Micron said its 1-gamma DRAM and G9 NAND processes are now its largest production nodes and are expected to become the highest-volume nodes in the company's history.

            Physical AI

            Micron identified autonomous vehicles, humanoid robotics and other intelligent autonomous systems as an emerging source of longer-term memory and storage demand.

            Management said Level 4 and above autonomous vehicles typically require more than 200GB of memory and multiple terabytes of storage, more than an order of magnitude above current Level 2+ and Level 3 vehicles.

            Humanoid robots are expected to require comparable memory and storage capacities.

            Micron expects physical AI to become a significant demand driver for memory and storage towards the end of the decade.

            Shareholder Returns

            Micron intends to increase capital returns from 9 December 2026, following the second anniversary of the signing of its definitive CHIPS agreements.

            Management expects share repurchases to be the principal means of returning excess capital.

            The existing share-repurchase authorisation stood at approximately $2.2 billion at the time of the call, and management indicated that it expects to seek additional authorisation.

            Over time, Micron intends to return 100% of excess cash to shareholders.

            Principal Earnings Call Highlights

            The earnings call substantially strengthened Micron's forward outlook beyond the headline fiscal Q4 results.

            2027 and 2028 supply conditions: Micron expects the memory and storage supply-demand imbalance to be greater in both 2027 and 2028 than in 2026, with both DRAM and NAND remaining supply constrained.

            No visible point of market balance: Management said it currently has no line of sight to when supply will catch up with demand.

            Fiscal 2027 revenue: Revenue is expected to grow sequentially in every quarter of the fiscal year.

            Fiscal 2027 margins: FQ1's approximately 86.25% gross margin is expected to be the lowest quarterly gross margin of the year, with margins rising thereafter. This is a big statement.

            2027 supply commitments: More than 75% of calendar 2027 output is already committed, and customer discussions are increasingly centred on 2028 supply.

            Long-term agreements: Micron has 26 Strategic Customer Agreements covering more than 35% of expected revenue through 2030, with customer financial commitments of approximately $32 billion.

            Contracted backlog: Remaining performance obligations are approximately $150 billion, calculated using committed volumes and minimum pricing. Management expects realised revenue to exceed this figure.

            HBM pricing: The majority of 2027 HBM supply has already been agreed at materially higher prices than in 2026.

            Free cash flow: Fiscal Q4 produced $33.2 billion of free cash flow, with management expecting FQ1 free cash flow to be significantly higher.

            Capital returns: Micron intends to increase shareholder returns from December 2026, principally through share repurchases.

            Industry structure: Management believes Strategic Customer Agreements, long construction lead times, increasing HBM wafer requirements and AI-driven demand are materially changing the visibility and structure of the memory industry compared with previous cycles.

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            @Adam-Kay said in Micron Technology:

            Over time, Micron intends to return 100% of excess cash to shareholders

            is this in the form of dividends or share buy back?

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              Almost all buy backs (Treasury purchases). The implied yield on a stock buy back is currently 20%. It increases ones ownership percentage-dividends do not.

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                Impressive, beat even your projection there Adam, given how odd the markets are, I'll expect the price to drop now...

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                @SteveRutter -there are so many moving parts it's pure dart throwing really-which doesn't matter because the company is not being value anywhere near a reasonable valuation. Why, because currently the market thinks the plates stop spinning and margins will collapse.

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                  Almost all buy backs (Treasury purchases). The implied yield on a stock buy back is currently 20%. It increases ones ownership percentage-dividends do not.

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                  @Adam-Kay basically free money then - whats not to like

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                    Morgan Stanley just said Micron will earn $500B in about two years.

                    "Micron will earn close to half the current market cap by the end of 2028, with most of that returned to shareholders."👀

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                      Thanks Adam. I should know the answer to this but remind me what currently happens to divi payments and what will happen to the proposed buy backs? I think that they are re-invested for PHE, PHT and the Lifestyle for Growth funds, and are paid out to the fundholder for the Lifestyle for Income fund. Is that correct?

                      Thanks.

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                        Dividends are reinvested into your account as cash within the model and when they reach a suitable level, stock purchases are triggered. Buy-Backs have no impact as we arent selling per se. The idea being less outstanding shares.....EPS go up and the stock price should follow.

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                          Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.

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                            The news re the earnings not moving the share price much

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